We cannot rely on Tor if this environment turns more adversarial. Feels like a major weak point.
@mattodell I heard about Locha Mesh - is this still a thing? Some mesh network that does not need Internet?
@mattodell It doesn't need reliable Tor uptime. Just a bit of uptime once every 2 weeks should be enough...
@mattodell you know, I’m not so sure. My tor only node was sending and receiving funds throughout the day yesterday during the periods it was reported down. I’d have to double check the logs but I didn’t see any issues. Pretty sure it’s V3.
@cycryptr I didn't lose any funds and have multiple Tor v3 only lightning nodes but the concern stands. The threat model relies on Tor reliability and I don't think that's a reasonable assumption if you have a decent amount of coin on your nodes.
@mattodell For sure, I totally get that. I'm just questioning why my node seemed to be okay during the V3 downtime. Maybe once the peers are connected, it's okay? Idk.
You have to trust the VPN provider not to spy on your traffic. With Tor, there are middle hops that hide the destination from the guard node (the node you connect from) and the origin form the exit node (the node where your connection goes to the onion service or the clearnet website).
@mattodell I think it would be better to improve /pour resources into Tor development than to replace it entirely. We need an anonymity set as large as possible to protect privacy... already Tor network users are so few that in some countries Tor user (which cannot be easily hidden from the ISP) very likely implies a Bitcoin user
@mattodell Yes, I also don't like any single point of failures. And Tor network itself can be a single point of failure. That's why I was testing I2P IRC (Irc2P) some time ago for JoinMarket as an alternative. There was some problems, and there was other priorities at the time, so didn't end in a PR, hope to get back to that at some point.
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