@mystik Who is "they"? The scientists who confirmed the virus exists, spreads, maims and kills, etc?
@anotherlooktake2 I'm one of those people with health vulnerabilities.
I'm also not responsible for anyone other than my family.
Nobody else here has ever cared about COVID anyway.
And I think this would be a good time to point out that exactly ZERO research has gone into figuring out the precise factors, genomic and otherwise, which makes the majority of people UTTERLY UNAFFECTED and over 90% of people only mildly affected by infection with sars-cov-2.
YOU COULD BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE FOR WHICH SARS-COV-2 POSES ZERO THREAT !!
Where's the test for that?
Wouldn't you like to know?
They clearly don't, they'd rather have you anxious, afraid.
How do you know your precautions have been effective? You have no idea if sars-cov-2 is actually a threat to you, specifically. In spite of your health vulnerabilities, you may be one of those who simply isn't affected by this particular virus.
You and I may have both been infected by sars-cov-2, and our immune systems cleared the virus, without either of us even knowing it happened.
Of course there have been many vaccines which are worthwhile.
Please don't fall into the trap they've set: they have characterized any criticism of these defective products as being "anti-vax". I can't tell you how many vaccines have been administered to me over the years.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "modern" science. The polio vaccine was created before I was born.
Is the science we are doing now going to be considered "modern" by observers in 2095 ?
@IceCubeSoup My point is we have the technology to create working vaccines.
It just hasn't been done for COVID yet.
I agree. But given the track record that exists over the last few decades trying to come up with vaccines for corona viruses, including sars-cov-1, it isn't surprising that we are faced with this complete clusterfuck of half assed effectiveness and a gurgling cauldron of adverse effects.
IT IS HARD TO DO !!
The attempts to create a vaccine for sars-cov-1 failed... and those failures should have taught us to expect the slow motion disaster we are seeing now.
So, in response to your first sentence, "we have the technology to create working vaccines" :
Well, no. Not in the case of corona viruses.
Yes, in general. Very much so. But no in this particular sticky situation.
No. sars-cov-1 did indeed sink into irrelevance. But it is my understanding that the trials failed with ugly results. Between that, and the fact that the thread from sars-cov-1 receded, interest in further research along these lines dropped off, since it didn't seem like it was going to pay off.
I don't remember if this vax
trial failure was directly related, but there is a phenomenon called "Antibody dependent enhancement", wherein the vaccinated organism seems to be fine, but then things go haywire, and when exposed to the virus against which the vaccine was made for, they get infected anyway and the immune response goes haywire and the symptoms are exaggerated, ending in a fatality.
Lots of other really WEIRD things happen. All the easy viruses have been taken.
And, scientifically speaking, a trial in which a vaccine was found not to be safe and/or effective, is a SUCCESS. Because in the effort to learn something, something has indeed been learned.
It is a failure in the sense that the desired outcome, that of a good vaccine moving forward, was not in the result set.
So we call these trials with disappointing or disturbing results "failures", when in fact they've succeeded in preventing something dangerous from moving forward.
@lukedashjr best to you yours holidays and beyond. Also consider each one you come in close contact is member of a family, if not your household. Potential if I infect an individual who goes on eventually home to potentially infect others and so on. Public health broadens our responsibility to those outside our immediate realm of responsibility to engage in respectful protection of others rights. Oh and eat plenty of pie:)
@lukedashjr Covid’s been over for me since March 2020. I tossed my mask in the trash, held many get-togethers last year as well. I don’t live my life according to the illusory idea of authority.
@lukedashjr if you still wear a mask when you don’t have to, truth me told, you’ve effectively been brainwashed. At this point it’s a psychosis.
@jakub @lukedashjr sorry, to spoil the party, we will at some point know who's effected and what's really going on, to have been cautious wo/ medication was surely a wise move.
Is it now wise to be total careless? I guess not.
We hear of a lot of value Health professionals that commit suicide bcs they can not bare being part of what they believe is a genocide. The spike proteins whether produced by the virus or the vaccine attack the telomers, i am almost sure we will see a lot of cancer soon.
@lukedashjr well, except for the first 2 months I lived my life normally over the pandemic, spent many nights partying with my friends in crowded places, no mask, no vaxx, etc... Nothing. A couple of my friends got COVID and only had very mild symptoms. 1 old person from my family had a pretty bad COVID case, she had to stay in bed for 2 weeks.
Also, 3 of my friends had a bad reaction to Pfizer, one of them needed hospitalization and is still dealing with serious issues.
This thing is a mess.
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