Unpopular opinion: Bitcoin mixers and the Lightning network are bullshits of bullshitters.

@arashi Made my own research. Wasn't too hard but I understand if people have no time to do it.

@arashi The exact reason is these are just bullshits. You send 0.56 BTC into a mixer, in an other wallet it appers and you say it's not traceable? You send 0.56 BTC into a shittier mixer and it sends back to your own wallet the same amount with different utxos and you think it's untraceable? Wtf. Also. Why do Bitcoin need Lightning? Bitcoin don't need it. Bitcoin need the devteam who want to make it work and not a layer2 bullshit. It's not for that just a vulnearibility. But it's pretty complex.

@ChYJtNvw I only have experience with Wasabi - it produces indistinguishable UTXOs for round participants in groups of about 100, you can also do multiple rounds to increase anonymity sets. It also uses chaumian algo over Tor which makes participants anonymous even to the coordinator. I'm still not clear on what your exact issue has been, but maybe it's isolated to the particular software you've been using?

@arashi No. It's about Bitcoin and the people who use but don't understand Bitcoin and want to make a fool from the whole world with half truths and imaginations and hopes. Bitcoin is just a "good enough" thing. Luckily Monero fixes this.


@ChYJtNvw no what? No, it doesn't produce indistinguishable UTXOs? I've checked and they seem indistinguishable to me. Did you find a way to link pre-mix and post-mix UTXOs? You keep saying something is broken but you don't point out what it is! It's hard to find solutions to undefined problems.

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