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I've been hearing about Mastodon for a while and I'm willing to try it out. Last night I learned that you can't keep your identity should an instance be shut down, which I am not a fan of. I was thinking maybe someone could build something on top of git, where as you gpg sign all your commits (messages/replies) and you can refer to them across repos (instances) and your gpg key *is* your identity. The biggest hurdle is probably user experience around key management. Like Bitcoin.

@harding didnt know about it, very interesting thank you! From a quick look it doesn't seem based on git (even though there is some resemblance on some functionality)- the reason I'd use git + gpg without change is the sheer amount of tooling already built around this and the long term maintenance of git/gpg being more assured than other ad-hoc things (imho)

@LarryBitcoin @harding yeah i would also much prefer a model based on something like scuttlebutt, and the web instance frontends merely being *optional* dumb content renderers, but mastodon is more popular for now.

Been long using diaspora* too, and it's been obvious for a long time that the federated model is just too cumbersome and complicated for people who are less technical-literate.

@LarryBitcoin maybe you want to use keybase for identity management? It won't help with recovering your tweets/follows/etc. but at least you will be able to prove you're the same person on the different instance/platform.

@kekcoin I used it in the past but not a fan of by default keeping your private key on their servers (albeit encrypted with a user password). Seems the wrong approach. You can upload just the public key (as I've done) but I had some trouble with using this setup with their chat system at the beginning and never tried again.

@LarryBitcoin Ah yeah, it doesn't work for me either because it is very much not set up for multiple identities/compartmentalization.

@thewumbles Sad to see the shitcoinization of the internet. Protonmail probably doing ICO as well :/

@kekcoin @thewumbles omg mastodon didn't detect the link... that's it. Back to twitter!

@kekcoin some of the storylines in this season of bitcoin really suck. can't we just kill off all the ICO and altcoin characters and move on the the big story arch? 8[

@mj Don't worry, this is just a filler arch while the writers plot out the next big story.

@kekcoin a couple more complex, intriguing villains would be nice. the roger ver and craig wright characters are pretty two dimensional, completely unbelievable and way too overacted.

@harding

@kekcoin @LarryBitcoin
Keybase.io doesn't hate Bitcoin. They just make dumb partnerships for cash.

The Nakamoto Institute keybase.io chat (NakamotoInst.Public) is a great Bitcoin-maximalist group, & was one of the first public keybase chat group. Unfortunately the conversation in it has since died.

@Maskoficarus @LarryBitcoin @kekcoin That linked blog post was a hit piece on Bitcoin. If they did it only for the money instead of actually representing their opinion, I think that speaks even worse about them.

@LarryBitcoin I thought the point was that you can host your own so that you are actually able to secure your own identity. The only thing they can then shut down is YOU or whoever YOU connect with, which seems to be the best possible case scenario.

@dammkewl I like it but it seems unnecessary for the average user. just having users based on gpg keys would solve it. or built-in in the app and you can come and go online/offline as you are pleased.

@LarryBitcoin The biggest issue isn't identity, mastodon can't help with that. You tweet/toot/type out what's on your mind about whatever's worth responding to or talking about. That text needs storage and a GPG key isn't going to facilitate in that.

You spinning up your own instance with off=shore redundancy does fix that.

Being able to run your own instance it the most important factor of this software and how well it facilitates in maintaining content up-time will be the dominant variable.

@dammkewl your followers could easily help you maintain content online wittiut requiring you to set up a server or being always online

@LarryBitcoin How can the followers help? Wait does boosting a toot mean it's pulled into the booster's instance, content-wise instead of just a pointer to the original? That would be genious.

@dammkewl yeah you fetch your remotes and help keep a commit hash available redundantly

@LarryBitcoin I agree, and also the privacy and security we have here is only as good as the instance on which your data resides (plus some quirks for "public listed toots"). I.e should mastodon.social be hacked i would have my data leaked, and i 'm not sure it is as good/safe as twitter at the moment.

@LarryBitcoin a possible solution is to make a business around securing mastodon instances and have the users pay for that (bitcoin?). IMO is still better than selling user's private data.

@MrHodl @LarryBitcoin me too! Another consideration on the security model of the federation: how to deal with VIP accounts (i.e D.Trump)? Those have a huge incentive to be hacked and probably a "standard" instance wouldn't be secure enough. Luckily the VIP account can set up its own instance with its own security in place.

@LarryBitcoin I like to think of Mastodon as a protocol like SMTP. You could lose access to your identity on an instance just like you could lose access to Gmail.
Degree of centralization will always exist on social networks. We can’t tell everyone to run their own instance like we run our own bitcoin node :)

@LarryBitcoin I really don’t get why they don’t have a pub key you use and just sign to prove you own it. Then just use that as the ident basis.

@LarryBitcoin Has already been tried, didn't scale. But you might want to look into scuttlebutt.nz which was invented by the same person and is gaining a bit of momentum atm.

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